L.A. Gun-Control Advocates Decry NRA's Call for Armed School Guards

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," the NRA's Wayne LaPierre says. One local gun-control advocate calls his proposal "ludicrous."

Los Angeles-area supporters of stronger gun laws are denouncing a proposal by the National Rifle Association to encourage the placement of armed guards in schools as a means of deterring attacks like those in Newtown, CT.

"I think the idea of putting an armed guard in every school is just ludicrous," said Billie Weiss, executive director of the Violence Prevention Coalition of Los Angeles (VPCLA). "Is that what we really want our schools to turn into? I have no argument with [having] security guards—people who give permission for people to come into the school—but we're trying to teach kids self-control and how to be responsible."

At a Friday morning news conference in Washington, DC, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre proposed a program called The National School Shield, which advocates placing armed guards in all schools.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," LaPierre said.

"We care about our president, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents," he said. "Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by Capitol Police officers. Yet, when it comes to our most beloved, innocent and vulnerable members of the American family, our children, we as a society leave them every day utterly defenseless, and the monsters and the predators of the world know it and exploit it."

"If we truly cherish our kids, more than our money, more than our celebrities, more than our sports stadiums, we must give them the greatest level of protection possible," LaPierre said. "And that security is only available with properly trained, armed good guys."

LaPierre, who was interrupted twice by protesters who held signs in front of TV cameras, made a direct call for local action.

"I call on every parent. I call on every teacher. I call on every school administrator, every law enforcement officer in this country, to join with us and help create a national schools shield safety program to protect our children with the only positive line of defense that’s tested and proven to work," he said.

The NRA's response comes amid heightened calls for stronger gun laws. Before the news conference, President Obama released a video (above) citing a petition by hundreds of Americans calling for swift action.

LaPierre, in an often combative tone, said that in the wake of the Newtown, CT, shootings, in which 20 children and six teachers were killed by a 20-year-old gunman at Sandy Hook Elementary School, gun owners have been "demonized."

Instead, he said, blame should be placed on the violence in video games, music videos and "blood-soaked" films. He called video game makers “a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people.”

Suzanne Verge, president of the Los Angeles chapter of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said the focus needs to be kept on stricter gun laws, not video games.

"Other countries—England, Japan—they all have video games," Verge said. "They do not have the gun deaths that we do have."

Margot Bennett, executive director of Women Against Gun Violence, based in West Los Angeles, took issue with the NRA's program to promote armed guards in schools.

"We don't believe that guns are the answer to guns," Bennett said, "and we don't believe our children should be around guns. In reality, even police make mistakes. … If police who were trained for emergencies have accidents, why would we want people who have just shot at targets to be protecting our children or carrying weapons in our schools?"

Tom Waldman, director of communications and media relations for the Los Angeles Unified School District, said Superintendent John Deasy was not commenting on LaPierre's remarks.

Patch editors John Ness and Ajay Singh contributed to this report.

Dale Smith. December 28, 2012 at 10:04 AM
I'm pretty sure the Glocks and 1911 style handguns are used my most armed guards, including CIA and Secret Service types..
Dale Smith. December 28, 2012 at 10:08 AM
It is ironic that the 4th requested Christmas present from children this year was "A different mom" and the 10th most requested present was "A Dad". That says a lot about our current day society right there.
The MOG December 28, 2012 at 03:31 PM
Dale,that uncited statistic about kids wanting new moms, and a dad for Christmas is heart breaking! I don't know where you got that from. I get a wide away of newsletters, and alerts. I haven't seen those numbers, yet. It is entirely belivable, though. Of all the Pres., in my life time (besides JFK), brother Jimmy is my favorite. God Bless him! He was saying it back when I was a kid. That something was wrong, or morally lacking, in America's spiritual life. Pres. Esienhower clearly showed how policy directly affects the nation's spiritual life(he used those words)in his final address to the country. People like David V. admittedly don't want to talk about that. They are "worried" about that aspect. They see "guns"; i.e. Firearms, an inanimate object, as the primary cause of a homicidal maniac's rampage, rather than the lunatic himself. The mad man will go ahead and fire bomb the nieghborhood, if he hasn't access to weapons, and is intent on mass murder! These self-deluded Neo-Lib Democrats don't want to get to the root causes of social disfunction... but what makes them dangerous, is thier irrational, fear based responce to the issue. Which is that it presents a very real threat to our system of republican government, i.e. The Bill Of Rights; the very founding principles on which our collective and individual liberties rest! They'd rather expend energy trying to convince people The NRA is the "lobby" for "murderers", and that they "profit off" killing! The NRA is Gun OWNERS!
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David V. December 28, 2012 at 04:15 PM
Just one clarification, MOG. The Secpnd Amendment does not prohibit most gun restrictions. It prohibits, the Heller case tells us, a complete ban. But Heller itself makes room for lesser restrictions of the type I'm advocating.
nonoise December 28, 2012 at 04:24 PM
David V, going back to: think the missing dad had a lot to do with this situation. And, no one is talking about that. You ask how to fix divorce? Well sometimes the right thing to do is to stay together anyways for the sake of the kids, especially young males. Or, joint custody. Young males need their dad. People should put their kids first, especially young males. Some of the old ways were the best ways. Putting kids first is best.
Alex White December 28, 2012 at 05:01 PM
Took you long enough to find a dictionary. Chickenboy would be dissapointed.
The MOG December 28, 2012 at 05:06 PM
David V., also for clarification, The NRA opposes reinstating the 1994-2004 federal ban on "assault" weapons, and "large" magazines, for the same reason Congress let it run out in the first place. A Federal Study concluded that “the banned weapons and magazines were never used in more than a modest fraction of gun murders.” Also, Gun Control proponants 86 any chance at real compromise by wanting to include M1 Garands and M1 carbines, all semi-automatic shotguns, and pump-action rifles and shotguns. They also want to throw in mags with over 10 round capacity. Something all modern guns designed for personal self defense do. The NRA’s 73,000 Certified Instructors and 12,000 Law Enforcement Instructors reach over 800,000 people annually. NRA’s Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program has been used by more than 26,000 schools, law enforcement agencies, and civic groups to reach more than 24 million children since 1988. The accidental gun death rate has declined 94% since 1904. The Supreme Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) that “the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the Second Amendment right,” and that the Second Amendment protects a pre-existing individual right to keep and bear arms, without regard to a person’s relationship to a militia, including “the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.” Your attacks on The NRA are unfounded, and disgusting slander! THEY ARE NOT THE "GUN MANUFACTURER" LOBBY! NO LIE!
The MOG December 28, 2012 at 05:14 PM
CBF! U ALWAYS GET YOUR FEATHERED BVD'S IN BUNCH WHEN UR EMOTIONAL HYSTERONICS R XPOSED! lol You laid an egg! Inanimate objects don't kill... evil people do confused and disturbed unfortunates do... Mental illness isn't a crime, and doesn't predispose a person to violence Gun Control advocates represent a clear & present danger to American Liberty And are willing to exchange freedom for security & therefore are deserving of niether! U and Ur Life Partner need to pick up a Bible Perfect Love casteth away fear!
Max the paperboy December 28, 2012 at 05:33 PM
Thank you DAVID V for being one of the few intelligent, thoughtful, balanced voices of reason in this debate. Only careless and ignorant (as in uninformed) people find it necessary to insult people they don't agree with. The MOG, do not claim to be my voice, I find that to be grandiose, pompous, and offensive................
Max the paperboy December 28, 2012 at 05:33 PM
Thank you DAVID V for being one of the few intelligent, thoughtful, balanced voices of reason in this debate. Only careless and ignorant (as in uninformed) people find it necessary to insult people they don't agree with. The MOG, do not claim to be my voice, I find that to be grandiose, pompous, and offensive................
Max the paperboy December 28, 2012 at 05:55 PM
Linda..........This from The Nation,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,The Violence Policy Center has estimated that since 2005, gun manufacturers have contributed up to $38.9 million to the NRA. Those numbers, however, are based on publicly listed “sponsorship” levels on NRA fundraising pamphlets. The real figures could be much bigger. Like Crossroads GPS or Americans for Prosperity, or the Sierra Club for that matter, the NRA does not disclose any donor information even though it spends millions on federal elections. And like other industry fronts, the NRA is quick to conceal its pro–gun industry policy positions as ideological commitments.
Max the paperboy December 28, 2012 at 06:03 PM
Gosh Ben, I never realized that MILLIONS of people were listening to me.....................!!!
Max the paperboy December 28, 2012 at 06:13 PM
The MOG..as regards the NRA............The Violence Policy Center has estimated that since 2005, gun manufacturers have contributed up to $38.9 million to the NRA. Those numbers, however, are based on publicly listed “sponsorship” levels on NRA fundraising pamphlets. The real figures could be much bigger. Like Crossroads GPS or Americans for Prosperity, or the Sierra Club for that matter, the NRA does not disclose any donor information even though it spends millions on federal elections. And like other industry fronts, the NRA is quick to conceal its pro–gun industry policy positions as ideological commitments. Members of Congress have ranked the NRA as the most powerful lobbying organization in the country several years in a row. Only someone in deep denial could think that the NRA does not try to improve /influence things for some of it's largest doners............the manufacturers. In 2011, the organization refused an offer to discuss gun control with U.S. President Barack Obama. In response to the invitation, NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre said "Why should I or the N.R.A. go sit down with a group of people that have spent a lifetime trying to destroy the Second Amendment in the United States?" In his statement, LaPierre named Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder (both Democrats) as examples of the "people" he referred to. Their leadership won't even talk about it...........
David V. December 28, 2012 at 07:33 PM
Way to go, Ben. I'm sorry that you "sudo" intellectual left-wingers throw you into such a tailspin.
Ben Dover December 28, 2012 at 07:53 PM
Good morning David, no tailspin here, I actually find this debate to be quite comical. Like I said before, I am Not a member of the NRA. I am just a Tax paying, Hard working, law abiding member of this amazing country. Who has personally defended my life and property through the use of Superior fire power and training. I will keep defending. I'm going to keep my guns (my Rights), you can waive a piece of paper in the bad guys face (your rights) peace love........
David V. December 28, 2012 at 07:55 PM
I'm all for fixing things so that kids are happier. But in Adam Lanza's case, it is more than the missing kid. It was likely mental illness combined with ready access to an arsenal of weapons that fire very rapidly, in a home with a survivalist-type mother. That's why such arsenals need to be limited. After all, Adam Lanza and his mother were "good guys." Then, in a moment, he became a "bad guy." That's why guns, too, are part of the problem and need to be addressed promptly. The way to do that, again, is through reasonable gun regulation -- not a complete ban, but reasonable regulation, including all or some of the following: banning assault weapons, broadly defined, and magazines that hold more bullets than are needed for basic home defense. We should also limit the most deadly types of bullets. We can also better fund ATF, so that they can better enforce existing gun laws. We can use "big data" to create a comprehensive federal gun registry (now prohibited!), so that we can instantly trace guns and bullets if a crime is committed, and stop transactions before guns are sold to the wrong people. All of these steps are reasonable, yet all are opposed by the NRA. (That's why I object to the NRA so much, MOG.) We need to make our representatives hear that we don't want them to listen to the NRA and their campaign cash. These steps won't stop every gun crime, of course. Nothing can. But they will help reduce the risk of gun violence, which is the best we can do.
David V. December 28, 2012 at 07:57 PM
What's so interesting to me is that there is nothing the least bit radical about what I'm proposing. I just want reasonable gun regulations. Yet I've been attacked -- along with liberalism and Obama more generally -- in the most blistering (and worse) terms. I find it remarkable, and very interesting, that we cannot have a civil discussion about these very common-sense ideas -- let alone that we cannot, easily, implement them into law.
Cerro Gordo December 28, 2012 at 08:36 PM
I'm going to copy this entire thread and use it to torture Jr. High School English teachers.
Niles Akbar December 28, 2012 at 10:02 PM
Well now none of this palaver matters as no one is going to be able to afford ANY shiny new guns thanks to your Marxist-in-Chief bumping up our taxes next Tuesday. I think the latest estimate or new taxes was an additional $2,000.00 per family and I don't mean just for the "millionaires and billionaires," I mean me and you. Happy New Year!
David V. December 28, 2012 at 10:18 PM
Well, Niles, that was quite a slander. "Marxist-in-Chief"? Obviously, President Obama is not a Marxist. So I do not see why you think it is appropriate to call him one. Second, taxes are going up because the Republicans in the House will not agree to the President's proposal: (1) bring tax rates for those making $400,000 or more back to their pre-Bush tax cut levels; (2) continue current tax rates to everyone making less than that amount; and (3) stop monkeying around with the debt ceiling and endangering the United States' credit. Because Republicans are blocking the President's reasonable proposal, all Bush tax cuts, for everyone, expire Jan 1. So why you blame the President for this is beyond me. What is plain is that the Republican party's intransigence is entirely responsible for the so-called "fiscal cliff" problem. If they would allow tax hikes on very rich people, and would stop holding the nation hostage with the debt ceiling, there would be no problem here. It's entirely a problem of a far right element taking over the a once-great political party. It would be great if we could cut taxes for those making under $400,000. It would be great if we could extend the 2% (up to $2,100) payroll tax holiday another year, as it serves as excellent stimulus for the economy by helping working people have more money and therefore buy more.
Niles Akbar December 28, 2012 at 10:56 PM
You are a loyal spear carrier for the President and for that I congratulate you. Of course you would blame Republicans, it has been Mr, Obama's mantra all along for his utterly failed Presidency, but let's agree that is a discussion for another day. I was no fan of President Bush. Also, this is why it is a blessing to be a political independent; not having to wear the tinted glasses of any political party and seeing the self-dealing, avarice and lust for power and advantage in both national parties. BOTH of which endlessly pass laws that constantly erode individual American freedom in the name of (here's a word I really detest) "progress." And I was so looking forward to that new .223 Bushmaster! The one in cammo, LOL!
Tim Sole December 28, 2012 at 11:18 PM
David V., In the lead up to World War 2, that is exactly the type of thinking of the populace, that caused the slaughter of millions of Jews, homosexuals and infirm. The holocaust really did happen, I for one, am not going to allow that type of thing to happen again. Pre-World War 2 Gun Control, is exactly what caused the populous to not be able to protect themselves. Please read history, man repeats it, it is in their nature.
David V. December 29, 2012 at 12:03 AM
Wow, Tim, that's really far fetched. As a Jew, I am well aware of the Holocaust. But that has nothing to do with reasonable gun control. As I said there is nothing radical about reasonable gun regulations. Your argument, that a Holocaust is likely if we do not allow unfettered access, neither makes sense on its own terms nor is it a proper use of history. There is no likelihood of a Holocaust in this country if we regulate guns as I suggested above.
ROBERT E. FISHBACK December 29, 2012 at 01:58 AM
I just looked at a patch site up near Sacramento. Only one blog and only seven comments on that blog about guns. I Prefer that....this is insane that it keeps on going and going.
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Anonymous Nimby Crank December 29, 2012 at 06:18 AM
Ajay-seriously just shut this thread down its becoming ridiculous.
Moyuoylcahn December 29, 2012 at 08:49 AM
Max The Paper Boy, you are correct, I am not your voice... I am the voice of the voiceless! fyi, these are the top contributors/PAC to this year's National Election. The NRA is not among them. They are: Friends of John Boehner,RepublicanGovernors Assn,Club for Growth,EMILY's List,League of Conservation,FreedomWorks,Every Republican Is Crucial PAC,Arcus Foundation,Americans for Limited Government,Freedom Project,Susan B Anthony List,Senate Conservatives Fund,Hoyer for Congress,Friends of Jeb Hensarling,Nancy Pelosi for Congress,Blue Dog PAC,AmeriPAC: The Fund for a Greater America,Majority Cmte PAC,Votesane PAC,Environment America... The NRA makes it influence known primarily through campaign donations. In 2012 they spent a little over 2 million dollars. $1,845,000 of that came from The NRA itself, $360,000 came from it's subsidiary, NRA Institute for Legislative Action. The total amount spent lobbying for gun rights was only $5,535,651 for 2012. In a National Election that cost ran into the billions! Not everyone who supports The NRA is a dues paying member. Not all of us are even gun owners. We support the Right To Bear Arms just the same.
Tim Sole December 29, 2012 at 04:40 PM
David, it is not as far fetched as you might believe. I'm simply looking at what those in power in prewar Europe did and stating that I'm not going to allow mankind to repeat those mistakes here in America. Every 60 or 70 years, we simply forget what happened and then repeat the same mistakes that earlier generations made.
Jock December 29, 2012 at 04:56 PM
Agreed. Any advanced alien race reading this would happily skip this planet. Perhaps in the future this thread may be a teaching tool showing the discord, arrogance and ignorance of 21st century Americans. Angry rantings, most displaying the logic of children. Puke


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